barack obama won, so they liked hillary clinton. if hillary clinton had won in 2008, you would hear lots of republicans saying none of this would have happened if barack obama had won instead. if hillary clinton is the nominee in 2016, this will be an election decided by three or four percentage points. >> right. it always tightens. something happened last night. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan spoke at this dinner. these are speeches where they're trying to define who they are. how would a rubio ryan stack up against clinton? it sort of feels like 2008 reversed except experience would come on the democratic side with hillary and youth might come from rubio or ryan on the republican side. >> clinton is a favorite among young people, especially young women. they're going to help determine future elections. i think paul ryan and marco rubio, they're trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and perhaps big ideas and a larger goal pos